Ray

bump b4 bed

7/10 Good sigs, but only 7/10 due to the fact that they're sigs and not sig

cp

Well EXCUSE ME for having a BIT of a life...

Ok I will try out the ape atoll place. Rock crabs and experiments are far too slow at my level. Thanks for all the suggestions.

E this time

goop pees lava =/ that's gonna be hard to unclog

If I try to explain this, it will be very hard to understand, so I'll give an example. This example will be in pvp/bh, meaning that everyone pretty much has the same gear in p2p. Nobody will be in SS, claws, slayer helms, fire capes, infinity, etc. Every clan can afford ancients, ghostly robes, mystic robes, dds, etc. Richer people can return more, that's pretty much it. Every member contributes up to 100% to the clan In f2p: Gear: 20% Stats: 20% Skill: 60% In p2p: Gear: 30% Stats: 30% Skill: 40% This is just a rough example, there's no evidence backing up these numbers, it's just to serve as an example. The reason why some people believe f2p takes more skill is because they look at it relatively instead of absolutely. So I'll give an absolute analysis. F2p: Gear:20% 15%-Full iron with scim/bow 20%-Bind or mith Stats:20% 15%-70+stat 20%-maxed out pure Skill:60% 50%-Masser 55%-Knows how to dd 60%-Perfect at tanking,spamming,piling,etc p2p: Gear:30% 20%-Brings one style with straight food 25%-Brings one style, maybe with a KO wep, with combo food 30%-Brings a KO wep, best food, necks, brews, the works Stats:30% 20%-70+stat 30%-maxed pure Skill:40% 10%-Attacks people, woop tee doo 20%-Gets on piles, spams, tanks a bit 30%-Very effective at warring 40%-Tanks 10 ppl at once, KOs perfectly each time, etc What I'm trying to say with this example is yes, p2p does incorporate a bit more on cash and stats, but very little. For cash, the most expensive gear is like ancient staff, barrages, mystic robes, and dds. It's more expensive than f2p, but most people can still afford p2p return sets. There not many out there that can afford to return in f2p but can't in p2p. For stats, in both f2p and p2p, the damage is linearly dependent on your stats, so it affects f2p and p2p the exact same. The only reasons why I weighted it more in p2p is that not everyone has 94 mage to barrage, and barrage is a bit better than burst. As for skill, there's just so little you can do to make a difference. There has never been a single f2p fight in BH/PVP where the smaller clan won. The most a single individual can put on his plate is showing up; all his other skills only give a slight edge. 50 of the most experienced pures will probably be evenly matched with 60 crappy pures in f2p. In p2p, it's completely different. Yes, cash and stats make a slightly bigger difference, but your skill makes a huge difference. With even levels and gear, I'd say 30 experienced p2pers can be matched up against 60 non-experienced p2pers. Even though there's relatively less skill involved in p2p, there is absolutely more skill involved. In p2p, the static variables of gear, stats, and numbers have an affect, and skill does as well. In f2p, just numbers affects pretty much everything. There is very little to be gained from being skilled.

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MOAR SPEM

Wow, DP r gud spem, the wer iz on

My main argument is that p2p is weighted more for clans because it requires more skill, both individual wise and clan wise. F2p clans will try to argue that f2p is weighed more while p2p clans will try to argue that p2p is weighted more in order to achieve credibility for their clan, so we can't exactly depend on the popularity of each server when determining the weightings. But what we can do is analyze the degree in skill involved, and that way we can truly determine a clan's overall strength. I'm not saying f2p is nothing and p2p is everything, being in only f2p based clans, I know the importance of f2p, but I believe the weighting of f2p to p2p should be something like 40:60ish. One other aspect we can consider is fame. Success in p2p brings a lot more fame than success in f2p does. In fact, you pretty much never hear people outside the pure clanning world talk about the f2p clans, only the p2p clans. It may seem like winning wars and run-ins would be the main aspect behind success in clans, but achieving fame is actually very important as well. A way to think of it is pk vids. Look at the most popular pk vids out there. Those pkers aren't the best pkers, but I would argue that they are the most successful overall because there is more to pking than winning fights, fame is a significant achievement.

OH MY GOD WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING!!!!!!!! THIS IS TERRIBLE!!!!!

Looks like Fi is busting out of their slump. Next week, Fi is surely to overtake DP. Fi is slowly getting better and better while DP's pretty much stayed the same.

P this time

Now I have even LESS of a life

er, I don't take nude photos soz

MM in a real war, E on a typical weekend M vs IR full out f2p

Sometimes you have to look at it from a broader spectrum. Just like you, I've been in f2p based clans all my rs career, so to me, it does in fact seem that f2p is the more important one, but at the same time, people from clans like TLP and C pretty much just do p2p and their members would feel that p2p is everything. Overall from the broader perspective, there are more people that do f2p than p2p since p2p costs money, but the greater skill involved in p2p is what makes it logically more important than f2p.

Nope, they've been a real clan for about two months now.

TLP this time

Thanks for a constructive post unlike Dv. As I said in my earlier post, if you just put on staff, hug/drag, and combo food, f2p tanking is far easier than p2p tanking, and that's where people get that impression that p2p tanking is more difficult than f2p tanking, and I agree with them if that is the case. In f2p, there several other things as well that I sorta cba to get into. Every situation you have to do something completely different. In p2p, nearly everything is sequential. You switch armor, and click combo food and necks in a sequence. No matter what the situation is, you do this same thing every time. In p2p, the situational aspects only include pray switching. That takes a bit of skill, but not nearly as much as the situational skill in f2p.

and how do I apply for 'troll that loves omni'

Not surprised the leader of a p2p clan doesn't know anything about f2p tanking.