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Ah, this WILL be interesting. Goodluck both clans.

Hopefully we can have a clean discussion lol I've always found full out wars to basically show the pinnacle of a clans strength at that point in time, some regard them as more important than trips, others regard consistency to be more important. They can be important for low level clans (In this era) as trips arn't too important. These days, they seem almost less important than once upon a time, a clan could lose a full out one week and 2 weeks later its pretty much forgotten about after losing to the clan for 2 weeks in a row, people disregard the full out result. Full outs were certainly more important once upon a time, thats for sure.

#Epidemic www.epidemic-rs.com for an amazing F2P based clan with mandatory and official P2P Events, several minis a day, preps, et cetera. Check it out.

Goodluck both clans if accepted

The whole list should just be removed lol, it only causes flames and arguements and people using it as a tool to bait and flame. To stick to the topic at hand though, cool weekend overall MM still dominating, seems everyone outside the top 3/4 Pulled badly (EOP 40, Dv low, TLP 50) with the exception of CP who pulled pretty big albeit teaming with some SD Today 1.) MM 2.) FOE 3.) E 4.) Fi 5.) CP 6.) TLP 7.) Dv 8.) EOP 9.) DP 10.) CY Followed by Malice, Anxiety, and whoever else was out.

Was fun whilst it lasted. P2P Full outs 1.) FOE 2.) MM 3.) TLP 4.) Fi/IR 5.) IR/Fi 6.) Carnage 7.) Dv 8.) E 9.) DP 10.) Others

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmdGvtgS6lc Vid shows our fight pretty well, at the start you had the advantage due to the hill and stuff and it was pretty even then E finally took control, either way was a fun fight so lets just move on with our lives lol P2P 1.) FOE 2.) MM 3.) TLP 4.) Dv 5.) FI

How hard were you looking? :P We both ended with similar opts and started with similar opts lol, with FOE having a couple more than us (We ended with 40, they ended with 45 according to [FOE]Dave)

Organisation, no, levels, yes. In terms of organisation FOE and E are very similar, with FOE obviously having the amazing levels they do certainly tips the scales in there favour.

only EOP and IR now guys the Cy conflict has already been resolved

No one in Epidemic complains about crashing, it's pretty much common knowledge we will crash those clans and we have made no attempts to "Lie" about crashing lol

Cool nice job

Today 1.) MM - Fought E when we had a really bad rush, we sucked bad and we got wrecked 2.) FOE - Did well today 3.) E - peaked at 76 today and had a great fight with FOE, HF came and were like "HF AC" and were just being generally annoying so we left the E vs FOE fight. Foe would have won though, but it was VERY close. 4.) Fi - Fought Fi 60 vs 60ish or something at hills and Epidemic won with 50+ Ending, was a good fight. 5.) Cp - Heard you pulled 60ish, nice job 6.) TLP - Pulled 55+ today, great job. 7.) EOP - Heard you had 40 to a sign up or be booted trip with 80 sign ups out of 140 members.. Probably would have beaten below though. Didn't hear about much else

Good list, would agree with that as an overall list

I discussed this with some people passingly once and we came to the conclusion that a PureIRC would be very cool :P I agree though, may be pretty pointless

Nice job on your friday

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I like CP because they have been through so much yet always come out of it somehow

M easily lol AAO vs Carpediem Full out F2P

Charlie you were on akick for some reason lol, probably a mistake with that other Charlie. Its removed now anyway. Either way what your saying is true, I believe E would pull it off in a full out between E vs EOP. We do not full out war because we feel as a clan we are progressing nicely enough without the need for stuff like that. I was discussing with Old earlier about how clans are way too quick to judge other clans because they chose to lead them differently, for example I brought up the fact we do not feel the need to "prove" anything in a full out because as a clan we feel we are doing amazing as it is. Old then brought up the fact EOP rarely p2p Pks because as a clan they do not find it fun and are pretty much a F2P clan. Both are relevant points, people need to understand that clans are lead in many different ways, and respect that. Back to the point of the topic P2P Full Outs 1.) FOE 2.) MM 3.) TLP 4.) FI 5.) Dv

Cool nice job good luck on war with Ascendency

F2P Weekend Trips 1.) MM 2.) FOE 3.) E 4.) Fi 5.) Dv F2P Full Outs 1.) MM 2.) FOE 3.) Fi 4.) E 5.) EOP F2P Preps/Matched 1.) FOE 2.) MM 3.) E 4.) Fi 5.) EOP Totally unbiased list, I've taken into account some posts on here and I've given Fi the benefit of the doubt for the F2P Full out part (For now?! :O) , but it's dangerously close I can assure you. OVERALL F2P at this very minute I'd say, based on activity organisation and the above factored in. 1.) MM 2.) FOE 3.) E 4.) FI 5.) Dv 6.) EOP 7.) CP

Low level clan's arnt really catergorised by there levels (As strange as it sounds) and more overall clan strength these days, as I've found. I don't know when these catergories become gospel, because I find it rather stupid that people say stuff such as "We're not warring you your mid level and we're low level", but thats beside the point. What is important when considering why low level clans make use of higher leveled accounts way above the clans average is the way in which low level clans war. For most, there clans only events are small 10 vs 10s or even 5 vs 5's in Clan wars, which pretty much negates any reason for levels to stay similar. A possible explanation is that If you look at the top pure clans, such as FOE, Fi, E, EOP, CP, M etc, all of these started out as "Low level clans" way back when and gradually increased. The fact that the clans are where they are at at the moment is pretty much down to the fact that the clans leaderships realised that they needed to move on from being low levels forever, which explains the difference between Total Domination and these previously mentioned clans, because from what I can recall TD had a fun few weeks then died (multiple times), which I think is down to the fact they planned on staying low level forever. Expansion is often overlooked by the current generation of "low level clans", which results in them staying where they are forever to try and claim some ficticious "#1 LOW LEVEL CLAN!!!!!" moniker. The introduction of higher leveled clans is some clans ideas of expanding there entire clan, which is flawed for many reasons but I won't get into that here The above shows the difference in levels Epidemic have had, and the differences. In the first picture, the levels are pretty similar other than the few 60s. In the second picture, the levels range from around 65 - 95, which says alot about the introduction of the CWA. To answer the question, there really are no low level clans in the mold of Epidemic, The Dreaded, Junior Pures, even Total Domination etc anymore because of the fact there isn't really a point in staying a similar level Back then, staying similarly leveled was practical. Now, because of the warring habits of "low level clans", it isn't practical its stupid. Hope I contributed to the discussion a little bit

GL getting fights on saturday

crash us then lol