What happends when you die?

[Andreww]

No-one knows. No-one will ever know. It's better that way.

[Davld]

consciousness can't be a physical matter.

 

so separation from body will be expected.

 

 

[Nippon]

consciousness can't be a physical matter.

 

so separation from body will be expected.

 

Why? If we create a machine with a consciousness by duplicating all the neural processes that lead to consciousness, don't we have a consciousness consisting entirely of matter?

 

What is consciousness if not matter?

 

[Ghostlyboy69]

you go to edgevill, obviously.

[Drunky]

consciousness can't be a physical matter.

 

so separation from body will be expected.

 

Why? If we create a machine with a consciousness by duplicating all the neural processes that lead to consciousness, don't we have a consciousness consisting entirely of matter?

 

What is consciousness if not matter?

Hoping I live to see that day, then I'd probably stop believing in some higher power :whistling: (too bad it will probably never happen)

[Nippon]

consciousness can't be a physical matter.

 

so separation from body will be expected.

 

Why? If we create a machine with a consciousness by duplicating all the neural processes that lead to consciousness, don't we have a consciousness consisting entirely of matter?

 

What is consciousness if not matter?

Hoping I live to see that day, then I'd probably stop believing in some higher power :whistling: (too bad it will probably never happen)

 

If consciousness is not a result of the neural processes in our brain, how exactly does your higher power create consciousness?

[Andreww]

you go to edgevill, obviously.

 

LOCK THE TOPIC NOW. WE HAVE A ******* WINNER.

[SANTANA]

No idea, I honestly don't like thinking about this stuff, I hate getting banged on Runescape. Cbf thinking about IRL.

[DarKyWarKy]

tl;dr because you need to l2spell

[Ari]

well...u lay in the ground, dats about it

[Dalmore]

You burn in hell

[michael-c]

when you die you either get fried to **** or worms eat you.furthermore if your catholic you get to go upto heaven and if your 8 or under jesus rapes you for dem lulz

[Cameron]

Well technically we can never know for sure because as people die and come back they have stories of what happen but those cannot be proven. When people die for good they don't live to tell what happens. When you, yourself dies you could maybe know if there's another place where you can actively think and recognize what happened, but more than likely you're not alive to know.

 

Tl;dr no one will ever truly know.

[Kingrang3194]

same i wanna know badly but i can't just kill my self i wanna have kids so i can beat their ass to play rs lol jk ^^ good question bro

[Known 2 Pown]

consciousness can't be a physical matter.

 

so separation from body will be expected.

Best response I've read.

[Nippon]

consciousness can't be a physical matter.

 

so separation from body will be expected.

Best response I've read.

 

Why is that? We can simulate many conscious and unconscious processes already and with the pace that neuroscience is moving forward I wouldn't be surprised to see a conscious machine before my death. What happens to your precious dualism when we can put together the material pieces that make up consciousness?

[Davld]

consciousness can't be a physical matter.

 

so separation from body will be expected.

Best response I've read.

 

Why is that? We can simulate many conscious and unconscious processes already and with the pace that neuroscience is moving forward I wouldn't be surprised to see a conscious machine before my death. What happens to your precious dualism when we can put together the material pieces that make up consciousness?

 

 

I can tell you're a black and white kind of guy. (also arrogant, but I'll leave that out ;p)

 

A machine may soon be able to become "conscious", but again that is arguable. Do you really feel that your dreams, your emotion, your physical awareness or your thoughts can be compared to metal programmed with advanced circuitry identifying itself in a mirror? If you do I slightly feel sorry for you, but that's the thing, I couldn't say. Your understanding of emotion or yourself may be robotic, but I could never know. That's the thing about life, you can only interpret it in the way that you experience it as an individual. That's why even if it were "achieved", it could never be measured.

Not here to talk about my interpretation of my own existence with you though.

 

I've read a few of your posts over the last while, you're a cynical person and you believe you're omniscient, (A common symptom of adolescence). Please save me from your half-assed pseudo-scientific explanation of life after death. (Unless you're right, of course. In that case let's grab you a brightly coloured robe, a microphone, then crown you as King of Humanity so you can preach to the ignorant.)

 

Something as complex as the human consciousness will never be replicated, ever. I'm not even a religious person, I just feel that we're far from fully understanding our own awareness and connection to something greater.

 

 

OT:

 

When we die, who knows?

 

That's the best part of an adventure

[Nippon]

consciousness can't be a physical matter.

 

so separation from body will be expected.

Best response I've read.

 

Why is that? We can simulate many conscious and unconscious processes already and with the pace that neuroscience is moving forward I wouldn't be surprised to see a conscious machine before my death. What happens to your precious dualism when we can put together the material pieces that make up consciousness?

 

I can tell you're a black and white kind of guy. (also arrogant, but I'll leave that out ;p)

 

First of all, thank you for the detailed answer.

 

A machine may soon be able to become "conscious", but again that is arguable. Do you really feel that your dreams, your emotion, your physical awareness or your thoughts can be compared to metal programmed with advanced circuitry identifying itself in a mirror? If you do I slightly feel sorry for you, but that's the thing, I couldn't say. Your understanding of emotion or yourself may be robotic, but I could never know. That's the thing about life, you can only interpret it in the way that you experience it as an individual. That's why even if it were "achieved", it could never be measured.

Not here to talk about my interpretation of my own existence with you though.

 

I have no counter-argument here. I just wanted to hear the reasoning behind your argument and for the record, I fully agree. Here's where I stand: the subjective experience of consciousness can and propably will not be measured or described to its full extent. We can eventually describe every process leading to it but we will propably always fall short of the experience of consciousness.

 

What then is this first-person experience? Philosophers since Descartes have described it as "mind" or "spirit" or "Absolute", ultimately meaning the same thing, an alternate substance to matter with the causal relationship having multiple explanations. The more interesting question to me isn't "what" consciousness is, it is "why" consciousness is. Reversed: Why are we not philosophical zombies?

 

I've read a few of your posts over the last while, you're a cynical person and you believe you're omniscient, (A common symptom of adolescence). Please save me from your half-assed pseudo-scientific explanation of life after death. (Unless you're right, of course. In that case let's grab you a brightly coloured robe, a microphone, then crown you as King of Humanity so you can preach to the ignorant.)

 

Takes one to know one, I suppose :teehee:

 

Something as complex as the human consciousness will never be replicated, ever. I'm not even a religious person, I just feel that we're far from fully understanding our own awareness and connection to something greater.

 

This reminds me of a quote by the physician of one of the Egyptian pharaohs somewhere around 1500 BC:

"The limits of human knowledge have not yet been reached"

 

I think this is where we differ in thought, because I'll never go as far as say that something that can perhaps be done in principle will never be done in practice.

[Davey]

I don't think we can live without a conciousness. Even animals have a conciousness.

 

I do agree with David though, we interpret things our own way, but I do believe this can be ****** with aswell. Let's say you grew up in a town where killing is normal, you would not feel sorry. If you'd move to a different country where killing is an absolute nono, you get put into jail for killing someone facing the worst punishment there is.

 

I believe that a conciousness is psychological, that is why we can never replicate it correctly.. But then again, I don't think we will ever fully understand it. There's more questions like, what do borderline people think when they do a suicide attempt? Why do people say they're not sorry for killing someone? Why don't you kill flabby for his berserker ring?

[Nippon]

I don't think we can live without a conciousness. Even animals have a conciousness.

 

I do agree with David though, we interpret things our own way, but I do believe this can be ****** with aswell. Let's say you grew up in a town where killing is normal, you would not feel sorry. If you'd move to a different country where killing is an absolute nono, you get put into jail for killing someone facing the worst punishment there is.

 

I believe that a conciousness is psychological, that is why we can never replicate it correctly.. But then again, I don't think we will ever fully understand it. There's more questions like, what do borderline people think when they do a suicide attempt? Why do people say they're not sorry for killing someone? Why don't you kill flabby for his berserker ring?

 

Are you perhaps mistaking consciousness for conscience?

[Davey]

I'm foreign, that's what I ment.. lol.

[Scott]

I'm generally ok with the idea that nothing happens and you just fall into an eternal sleep.

 

I like sleep.

 

Everyone likes sleep.

 

Maybe it's just practice for death?

 

I'm tired, going to sleep.

[Jet]

Spoiler:

You rot in the ground, or your ashes decompose slowly where ever you have them spread

Whether you believe in an afterlife is up to you

[DarKyWarKy]

lol at topic title.

[-Marcus-]

idk