P2P Tournament Predictions

[Kingrang3194]

same would be nice

[Im-Jamal]

low bracket frenzy

 

high bracket foe/tlp

[once phailed]

who ever wins will probably get all high and mighty then declared on by mm and will decline.

 

heard it here first

[tha sk1lls]

mm getting heated nothing stops your members from getting 20 def with rigour or augury except there lack of dedication to your clan.

[walli]

getting defence doesnt show dedication to the clan... jeesh

 

end of the day people make their accounts how they like them and for their enjoyment on scape. Some clans accommodate for more than others. Who cares lol.

[walli]

I don't understand why clans like FOE are complaining about being "limited" when they will end up fighting clans with even more 30+ def kids like TLP/FI (this is of course making the flawed assumption that FOE don't sit all their 1 def pures lol).

 

This applies to all clans, really. It seems like you don't realize that your clans have 1 def members too. Why put some of your own members at a disadvantage, rather than making the playing field equal, even among yourselves? The way I see it, there is no disadvantage to any participating clans or members if there is a strict 1 def cap, but if defenders etc. are allowed, then real pures regardless of clan affiliation get the short end of the stick.

 

 

Because foe is happy to fight the fight, we dont need advantages to win.

 

now why dont you and all the other good little girls in mm whipe your vaginas and sort it out.

 

Lol walli'd. Unlike Mm we are looking for a challenge and not the same old fight over and over. Even if Fi and Tlp have more 30 def we see this as a way to make ourselves better.

If you really wanted a challenge, then you would have accepted our fullout.

 

Walli you're retarded; you somehow managed to spell a 4 letter word wrong. If you didn't need advantages to win, you wouldn't have complained about MM declaring on you with 1 def cap, and yet you did, instead saying that you wanted no rules whatsoever. The contradictions keep piling up as you spout more and more garbage rofl.

 

Also, not to beat a dead horse, but since it hasn't penetrated your thick skull yet, MM gets no advantage from 1 def gear, just less of a disadvantage.

 

 

i see so you are saying we declined because you declared with 1 defence.. ah so it is an advantage i see.

 

oh but wait now 1 defence is not an advantage.

 

noooooooo this is all just propagandaaaaa

 

and we can and will call ourselves legends of p2p because we have many solid years to back up the statement. Likewise i dont really think, nor does anybody who means much to in my opinion, anybody cares what you want to call yourselves with your run of high opts.

 

woooooo crazy curry, you are well cool you mate. I have sat through this many a time, then sat through the time which will come where the tables turn and i have to facepalm everytime a mug in foe acts exactly like you and thinks he is the big balls because we are pulling big and winning a lot at the moment.

 

that being said though, not winning much lately. Taking the scraps in the wilderness like good boys. Keep doing exactly what every other clan allows you to do in the wilderness... maybe fix up them leaks first.

I'll start by pointing this out. If I were to go pking on a maxed main in edgeville wearing full dharok's, and I fought a med lvl (70 def) in the same gear, I would utterly destroy him, despite only being 29 def lvls higher. You can't possibly say that I don't have an advantage over the med lvl despite us using the same gear. That's the exact same level difference as between a pure and a turmain. Even if the gear is the same, the higher combat account has a distinct advantage. Therefore, if both sides were to wear 1 def gear, the side with all the 1 defers would still be at a disadvantage.

 

Anyways, on to all the lies you feed your members and this community.

 

So, the main reason FOE declined is because their pulls are pathetic and you can't compete, but not according to your propaganda. You decline a 1 def cap fullout but then say this:

If you wanna full out foe then sure, declare with everything goes.

As I have already gone over, 1 def cap is not an advantage to us, it is simply limiting the disadvantage to just levels rather than levels + gear.

 

So you would accept a fullout with no def cap because you think you would win if you could use better gear than MM's 1 def pures, but not when the playing field is equal (and not even equal, you still get 34 def levels on us)?

 

That's strange, because I seem to recall you saying this:

 

foe is happy to fight the fight, we dont need advantages to win.

 

Seems a bit contradictory, doesn't it? Looks like that's another lie FOE's been feeding its members and the rest of the pure community. But don't worry Walli, you're not fooling anyone as you continually raise your def cap in order to compete.

 

You can cling on to the past. Yes, you used to be the #1 p2p, but under the current leadership, who, based on your leaderboards, are your puppets, your clan is dying, having been relegated to #3 p2p and #6 f2p.

 

We are the "big balls" as you say because nobody can match us in the wilderness in either server, and until that changes, everyone who isn't hiding their head in the sand as you are knows that MM is #1.

 

As for our trips, when we have the most kills just about every single Saturday and Sunday, it's pretty difficult to dismiss that as scraps. But then again, I guess that's all the current FOE amounts to: scraps.

 

Obviously I haven't been around that long so I don't know how you got out of previous slumps, but something tells me that it wasn't by lying about your losses and spouting propaganda. Look where that got EOP. This time last year they were pulling 130 and competing with MM, now they pull a third of that, around 45 and fight CP.

 

When we were getting destroyed by FOE in p2p when I joined, we didn't pretend that we were winning. We blamed ourselves and used it as incentive to improve, and here we are, the undisputed #1 in p2p now.

 

Maybe it's time for you to let someone else take hold of the reins of FOE because it seems like you don't have the mental capacity nor the character to man up and drive your clan forward. Alternatively, you can keep feeding your members and the community lies and watch as it slowly asphyxiates your clan.

 

 

bored of revision so i suppose i will reply to this now.

 

to start if you fought a med level in edge with a maxed main i would be extremely impressed and would probably pm you for the glitch.

What still amuses me and you still seem to fail to understand it... NO **** WE HAVE AN ADVANTAGE. Why the hell do you think we get turmoil? because it is better lol... otherwise why waste the money and the time and sacrifice the def levels. Therefore if we do something for an advantage then we want to use our advantage. Now i could not care what you call our members or our clan. To us, foe we are a pure clan by our definition and by our standards. If that doesnt sit nicely with you then that is your problem but do not expect other people to automatically change what their clan is about to suit your clan. You declare on foe knowing full well what our members possess in their arsenal so it is no surprise or shock that we will want to use our accounts to their full potential. If that offends you or you do not like it then keep on crying about it, it will not change the facts as they are. We do not ask or tell your clan not to use anything you have available to you, dont expect the world back.

 

you make your own assumption of why foe declined without any evidence of an actual reason given by a foe leader as far as i am aware so already your argument is invalid when based upon your opinion you are passing off as a fact.

 

It saddens me that people view full outs as 100 v 100 fights now and believe if that cant happen the fullout should not. If we had that mentality for generations before us we would never have wonder victories like foe has pulled off against fi. So will agree if the fullout was declined because of that reason alone, that we would be outpulled then i would be disappointed. However, i believe, but cannot confirm that there were other factors playing a part. One being that MM has in the past declined wars with us when things didnt suit them or when they knew they would be outpulled... it is nothing new to the clanning scene with these two clans. It is unfortunate but it happens, our leaders know if we accepted the war we could end up heavily outpulled based on recent opts and our current member base and not saying we would lose as i still fancy our chances but if foe did lose can you honestly tell me mm would accept a rematch when foe asks for one? the answer is almost certainly not.

 

I will always stick to my comment that foe does not need advantages to win, that being said i am sick of clans and other people telling us we cannot use our accounts the way that we made them and trained them. It goes back to the earlier point that you know what sort of a clan we are so if you dont want to fight us with the members we have being able to do what they can do then dont ******* ask us for a fight without being able to give and take or at least be understanding.

 

You also take two quotes out of their own individual context which are based on two different things. The first of me saying that foe will accept the fullout with everything on and anything goes is because i am still a strong believer that when all said and done a full out war has one purpose and that is to show which clan in its full and entire force is the better on that given day at that time. Therefore to truely be able to say we are the stronger clan in f2p or p2p you should have beaten the other clan completely. You should have taken everything they have to throw at you and then bettered it and therefore beaten it. Then you are a better overall clan warring wise etc. The second comes from discussion of matched opts fights where it is showing a clans strength on a small scale, the same logic can be applied however the whole purpose of these wars in my opinion and mine alone are that you are already limiting your clan by putting a number cap. Therefore these wars are not to determine who is the best clan overall but more so to determine which clan is stronger under a specific set of rules. I am and have always been happy to try out a variety of sets of rules over weeks of preps with clans to see if they make a difference or if foe is still stronger man for man under any rules, we will fight the fight and test ourselves to see if we are strong in all aspects of limited warring.

 

That is my logic and opinion and i expect many people will differ from that, you are entitled to but it simply shows you taking two quotes out of context to try and prove hypocrisy does not work so easily.

 

-Side note - you attempt to have a dig about me raising foe's defence cap, the only time i have ever raised the def cap was raising it from 25-30 to allow for turmoil as i honestly believed the sacrifice of them def levels was worth it for the offence bonus of turmoil, much more so than people who get def for gloves, initiate, infinity or just have def for the sake of tanking. I do not agree with 35 def and if you were smart enough to read the leaderboard leaks on your own forums you would be well aware of that.

 

The clan is dying? a bold statement, when foe pulled big and mm pulled **** would you say mm was dying? swings and round abouts and your turn will come again however i doubt you would stick around in mm to witness it. I imagine you jumping on the next bandwagon. since you are so obsessed about numbers and ranks, with ranks generally being based on full out wars to determine the better clan i would happily say that MM is #1 f2p due to beating us in the last war and that MM can refer to themselves as the current #1 p2p clan. If we decline the fight that in theory based on all principles of ranking systems defaults our rank to the clan we would not war. However, we could just declare on MM with our rules and have you decline therefore giving us #1 p2p back... a pointless exercise to be honest. As for anything below #2 in either sever we are still undefeated in fullouts in both servers for a long time and no clan to this date other than mm could beat us at the moment. If anybody disputes that then declare on foe.

 

Your argument continued over the ranking based on weekly trips and wilderness performance is weak due to the fact when foe has months of dominating f2p in the past mm refused to say we were #1 until we won a full out war. Granted we gave them a full out war and lost but we could have happily not bothered declaring and continued what we were doing and claimed #1 based on your logic.

 

I am not going to complain and use opts as an excuse for why nobody can touch you at the moment, you guys are doing something right, you got the members and you have got them active and dedicated to trips so that is props to you and making your own accord as to why nobody can compete too well at the moment. However, i find it a hollow brag to say nobody can compete when the closest clan is often 15-20 people disadvantaged. enjoy it whilst it lasts, even if your pulls dont drop one clan eventually will match you and then we will see if you are ready for the competition you are banging on about.

 

You havnt been around long enough clearly to witness or even experience the countless 'mm slumps'. This is nothing new to any clan and its a cycle that seems to reoccur over and over. I pity you that you are naive to the fact mm has been through stages where they cancelled p2p trips or pulled under 40 to them and/or where they were not even seen as a threat to clan even in f2p. You argue over propaganda which further amuses me when speshls, if he still doesnt, had his sig for a long time as mm's head of propaganda. DOH.

 

I have no hand on the reins of foe, i am an inactive ex leader who is currently finishing up studying. Maybe do some homework before spouting your propaganda... o wait.

 

13 minutes of my life dedicated just for you. Enjoy.

[-Jared-]

I predict that no matter what happens, everyone will be mad for some reason.

[Triko]

you have oficially been walli'd

[Jamie]

walli just ate curry

 

ahahaha get it 1!??!?!

[Seann]

Things are spicing up..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was poor.

[Drunky]

I don't understand why clans like FOE are complaining about being "limited" when they will end up fighting clans with even more 30+ def kids like TLP/FI (this is of course making the flawed assumption that FOE don't sit all their 1 def pures lol).

 

This applies to all clans, really. It seems like you don't realize that your clans have 1 def members too. Why put some of your own members at a disadvantage, rather than making the playing field equal, even among yourselves? The way I see it, there is no disadvantage to any participating clans or members if there is a strict 1 def cap, but if defenders etc. are allowed, then real pures regardless of clan affiliation get the short end of the stick.

 

 

Because foe is happy to fight the fight, we dont need advantages to win.

 

now why dont you and all the other good little girls in mm whipe your vaginas and sort it out.

 

Lol walli'd. Unlike Mm we are looking for a challenge and not the same old fight over and over. Even if Fi and Tlp have more 30 def we see this as a way to make ourselves better.

If you really wanted a challenge, then you would have accepted our fullout.

 

Walli you're retarded; you somehow managed to spell a 4 letter word wrong. If you didn't need advantages to win, you wouldn't have complained about MM declaring on you with 1 def cap, and yet you did, instead saying that you wanted no rules whatsoever. The contradictions keep piling up as you spout more and more garbage rofl.

 

Also, not to beat a dead horse, but since it hasn't penetrated your thick skull yet, MM gets no advantage from 1 def gear, just less of a disadvantage.

 

 

i see so you are saying we declined because you declared with 1 defence.. ah so it is an advantage i see.

 

oh but wait now 1 defence is not an advantage.

 

noooooooo this is all just propagandaaaaa

 

and we can and will call ourselves legends of p2p because we have many solid years to back up the statement. Likewise i dont really think, nor does anybody who means much to in my opinion, anybody cares what you want to call yourselves with your run of high opts.

 

woooooo crazy curry, you are well cool you mate. I have sat through this many a time, then sat through the time which will come where the tables turn and i have to facepalm everytime a mug in foe acts exactly like you and thinks he is the big balls because we are pulling big and winning a lot at the moment.

 

that being said though, not winning much lately. Taking the scraps in the wilderness like good boys. Keep doing exactly what every other clan allows you to do in the wilderness... maybe fix up them leaks first.

I'll start by pointing this out. If I were to go pking on a maxed main in edgeville wearing full dharok's, and I fought a med lvl (70 def) in the same gear, I would utterly destroy him, despite only being 29 def lvls higher. You can't possibly say that I don't have an advantage over the med lvl despite us using the same gear. That's the exact same level difference as between a pure and a turmain. Even if the gear is the same, the higher combat account has a distinct advantage. Therefore, if both sides were to wear 1 def gear, the side with all the 1 defers would still be at a disadvantage.

 

Anyways, on to all the lies you feed your members and this community.

 

So, the main reason FOE declined is because their pulls are pathetic and you can't compete, but not according to your propaganda. You decline a 1 def cap fullout but then say this:

If you wanna full out foe then sure, declare with everything goes.

As I have already gone over, 1 def cap is not an advantage to us, it is simply limiting the disadvantage to just levels rather than levels + gear.

 

So you would accept a fullout with no def cap because you think you would win if you could use better gear than MM's 1 def pures, but not when the playing field is equal (and not even equal, you still get 34 def levels on us)?

 

That's strange, because I seem to recall you saying this:

 

foe is happy to fight the fight, we dont need advantages to win.

 

Seems a bit contradictory, doesn't it? Looks like that's another lie FOE's been feeding its members and the rest of the pure community. But don't worry Walli, you're not fooling anyone as you continually raise your def cap in order to compete.

 

You can cling on to the past. Yes, you used to be the #1 p2p, but under the current leadership, who, based on your leaderboards, are your puppets, your clan is dying, having been relegated to #3 p2p and #6 f2p.

 

We are the "big balls" as you say because nobody can match us in the wilderness in either server, and until that changes, everyone who isn't hiding their head in the sand as you are knows that MM is #1.

 

As for our trips, when we have the most kills just about every single Saturday and Sunday, it's pretty difficult to dismiss that as scraps. But then again, I guess that's all the current FOE amounts to: scraps.

 

Obviously I haven't been around that long so I don't know how you got out of previous slumps, but something tells me that it wasn't by lying about your losses and spouting propaganda. Look where that got EOP. This time last year they were pulling 130 and competing with MM, now they pull a third of that, around 45 and fight CP.

 

When we were getting destroyed by FOE in p2p when I joined, we didn't pretend that we were winning. We blamed ourselves and used it as incentive to improve, and here we are, the undisputed #1 in p2p now.

 

Maybe it's time for you to let someone else take hold of the reins of FOE because it seems like you don't have the mental capacity nor the character to man up and drive your clan forward. Alternatively, you can keep feeding your members and the community lies and watch as it slowly asphyxiates your clan.

 

One being that MM has in the past declined wars with us when things didnt suit them or when they knew they would be outpulled...

How about the past p2p fullout declarations from mm that you've locked and deleted off foe forums? We fought you in f2p 113(us) vs 126(you) and still won. The past p2p fullout declarations? WE declared them even though we didn't win. Months ago you preached **** about how good your clan did on p2p weekends now you're going back to the good old 'hey we wanna have fun' excuse . :teehee:

 

Please walli come up with some more excuses man. getting tired of hearing the same ones <_<

 

Your argument continued over the ranking based on weekly trips and wilderness performance is weak due to the fact when foe has months of dominating f2p in the past mm refused to say we were #1 until we won a full out war. Granted we gave them a full out war and lost but we could have happily not bothered declaring and continued what we were doing and claimed #1 based on your logic.

 

Give us the full out war??? if i remember correctly the pulls were reversed at that time and we still accepted it. you just admitted to yours and your clan's hypocrisy :thumbsup:

 

""You havnt been around long enough clearly to witness or even experience the countless mm slumps ""

you speak like you have. :mellow:

 

Just don't post man you aren't even in foe anymore. and if you come up with your 1 def account argument. i could get on a med level with turm, wear one def armor and show you that combat levels + defence matter no matter what you wear. Then again, I could use your logic and call you inferior because you can't beat me when i have my barrows armor on :whistling:

[walli]

One being that MM has in the past declined wars with us when things didnt suit them or when they knew they would be outpulled...

 

How about the past p2p fullout declarations from mm that you've locked and deleted off foe forums? We fought you in f2p 113(us) vs 126(you) and still won. The past p2p fullout declarations? WE declared them even though we didn't win. Months ago you preached **** about how good your clan did on p2p weekends now you're going back to the good old 'hey we wanna have fun' excuse . :teehee:

 

Please walli come up with some more excuses man. getting tired of hearing the same ones <_<

 

Your argument continued over the ranking based on weekly trips and wilderness performance is weak due to the fact when foe has months of dominating f2p in the past mm refused to say we were #1 until we won a full out war. Granted we gave them a full out war and lost but we could have happily not bothered declaring and continued what we were doing and claimed #1 based on your logic.

 

Give us the full out war??? if i remember correctly the pulls were reversed at that time and we still accepted it. you just admitted to yours and your clan's hypocrisy :thumbsup:

 

""You havnt been around long enough clearly to witness or even experience the countless mm slumps ""

you speak like you have. :mellow:

 

Just don't post man you aren't even in foe anymore. and if you come up with your 1 def account argument. i could get on a med level with turm, wear one def armor and show you that combat levels + defence matter no matter what you wear. Then again, I could use your logic and call you inferior because you can't beat me when i have my barrows armor on :whistling:

 

 

your first point is completely useless as i already said we have declined the war and other wars yet so has mm when things didnt suit them... therefore what the actual **** are you getting at by complaining about foe declining any war when your clan has declined a war also in the past? You either accept every war declared on you or you dont have any grounds to pass judgement or complaint when another clan declines for whatever reason on you... thought that much would be pretty straight forward and logical.

 

You also counter everything with the same old boring line of full of excuses or come up with new excuses... yet all i hear from you is an excuse to counter an excuse which means yet again you are doing what you preach shouldnt be done. DOH.

 

you are uneducated if you dont know how many mm slumps ive been through or had a hand in causing... yea i will be that guy and claim some credit, make up an excuse as to why i am wrong now like a good boy.

 

wait whats that... another excuse? turmoil? in 1 def? a likely excuse there my good friend. If your clan accepts med levels with turm in 1 def armour then so be it, if we declare a war on you we will know that and happily fight them obviously.

 

enjoy.

[Aly]

hahahaha FOE getting turmoil just for fun, you can bs to 95% of the people here but to someone who was in leadership at the time, I am proof that the reason FOE got 30 def was because they were mad that HF owned them and kept losing to MM in F2P therefore the prayer and defence would help

 

unfortunately bit more than a year later, hasn't really worked too well

 

can lie to da public but not to me :NULL:

[Hulkin]

There are many big walls of text on this topic, those must be some lengthy predictions!

[Alcohol]

Holy **** you kids try to hard lmfao.

 

Everyone just stop and take a look outside ya windows.

[walli]

hahahaha FOE getting turmoil just for fun, you can bs to 95% of the people here but to someone who was in leadership at the time, I am proof that the reason FOE got 30 def was because they were mad that HF owned them and kept losing to MM in F2P therefore the prayer and defence would help

 

unfortunately bit more than a year later, hasn't really worked too well

 

can lie to da public but not to me :NULL:

 

 

yes because it would be foolish for anybody to think you are making this up as you do a lot of things just to have a dig at foe... who would dare think such a thing.

 

Hf was never even brought into the reasoning for turmoil, certainly not by me who made the decision anyway. Keep trying to pretend you were once somebody who knew something.

[Aly]

hahahaha FOE getting turmoil just for fun, you can bs to 95% of the people here but to someone who was in leadership at the time, I am proof that the reason FOE got 30 def was because they were mad that HF owned them and kept losing to MM in F2P therefore the prayer and defence would help

 

unfortunately bit more than a year later, hasn't really worked too well

 

can lie to da public but not to me :NULL:

 

 

yes because it would be foolish for anybody to think you are making this up as you do a lot of things just to have a dig at foe... who would dare think such a thing.

 

Hf was never even brought into the reasoning for turmoil, certainly not by me who made the decision anyway. Keep trying to pretend you were once somebody who knew something.

which is why you can fool 95% of the people on here, the 5% is your own ex/current leadership that was around when turmoil was implemented

 

we know why sir, we know :dotfire:

[walli]

Then state it and back it up.

 

All you have done is say we got turmoil to fight higher force. I will happily make some bold statements like the mm leadership allows a level 107 'pure' to come to trips to fight foe.

 

Fact?

[Celtic]

I thought i was good at making text walls then i read page 4 of this topic

[Society]

when davld is lurking u know its about to get serious

 

OT:

Frenzy low bracket

Foe/TLP high bracket

[Drunky]

One being that MM has in the past declined wars with us when things didnt suit them or when they knew they would be outpulled...

 

How about the past p2p fullout declarations from mm that you've locked and deleted off foe forums? We fought you in f2p 113(us) vs 126(you) and still won. The past p2p fullout declarations? WE declared them even though we didn't win. Months ago you preached **** about how good your clan did on p2p weekends now you're going back to the good old 'hey we wanna have fun' excuse . :teehee:

 

Please walli come up with some more excuses man. getting tired of hearing the same ones <_<

 

Your argument continued over the ranking based on weekly trips and wilderness performance is weak due to the fact when foe has months of dominating f2p in the past mm refused to say we were #1 until we won a full out war. Granted we gave them a full out war and lost but we could have happily not bothered declaring and continued what we were doing and claimed #1 based on your logic.

 

Give us the full out war??? if i remember correctly the pulls were reversed at that time and we still accepted it. you just admitted to yours and your clan's hypocrisy :thumbsup:

 

""You havnt been around long enough clearly to witness or even experience the countless mm slumps ""

you speak like you have. :mellow:

 

Just don't post man you aren't even in foe anymore. and if you come up with your 1 def account argument. i could get on a med level with turm, wear one def armor and show you that combat levels + defence matter no matter what you wear. Then again, I could use your logic and call you inferior because you can't beat me when i have my barrows armor on :whistling:

 

 

your first point is completely useless as i already said we have declined the war and other wars yet so has mm when things didnt suit them... therefore what the actual **** are you getting at by complaining about foe declining any war when your clan has declined a war also in the past? You either accept every war declared on you or you dont have any grounds to pass judgement or complaint when another clan declines for whatever reason on you... thought that much would be pretty straight forward and logical.

 

You also counter everything with the same old boring line of full of excuses or come up with new excuses... yet all i hear from you is an excuse to counter an excuse which means yet again you are doing what you preach shouldnt be done. DOH.

 

you are uneducated if you dont know how many mm slumps ive been through or had a hand in causing... yea i will be that guy and claim some credit, make up an excuse as to why i am wrong now like a good boy.

 

wait whats that... another excuse? turmoil? in 1 def? a likely excuse there my good friend. If your clan accepts med levels with turm in 1 def armour then so be it, if we declare a war on you we will know that and happily fight them obviously.

 

enjoy.

Idk if you're writing so much to make people actually believe the bs you're saying or you're just plain retarded BUT, in my 4 years of mostly being mm, we declined one war but redeclared on our own terms. you declined like 3-4 p2p fullouts. My point isn't completely useless because we've only declined one but re-challenged right after but you 3-4.

 

 

I wont even reply to the next one or your own good because I don't see any excuses in my post :mellow:

 

About slumps, You've had a hand in causing slumps because you would team with other clans and on top of that bring mains #foemains. Your clan alone hasn't slumped anyone lately :rolleyes:

 

Also i like how hypothetically speaking if we accepted med levels you would want a 1 def war but earlier you asked for a no cap declaration. Must be nice Subconsciously being a hypocrite. Old habits must be hard to break. :whistling:

[walli]

One being that MM has in the past declined wars with us when things didnt suit them or when they knew they would be outpulled...

 

How about the past p2p fullout declarations from mm that you've locked and deleted off foe forums? We fought you in f2p 113(us) vs 126(you) and still won. The past p2p fullout declarations? WE declared them even though we didn't win. Months ago you preached **** about how good your clan did on p2p weekends now you're going back to the good old 'hey we wanna have fun' excuse . :teehee:

 

Please walli come up with some more excuses man. getting tired of hearing the same ones <_<

 

Your argument continued over the ranking based on weekly trips and wilderness performance is weak due to the fact when foe has months of dominating f2p in the past mm refused to say we were #1 until we won a full out war. Granted we gave them a full out war and lost but we could have happily not bothered declaring and continued what we were doing and claimed #1 based on your logic.

 

Give us the full out war??? if i remember correctly the pulls were reversed at that time and we still accepted it. you just admitted to yours and your clan's hypocrisy :thumbsup:

 

""You havnt been around long enough clearly to witness or even experience the countless mm slumps ""

you speak like you have. :mellow:

 

Just don't post man you aren't even in foe anymore. and if you come up with your 1 def account argument. i could get on a med level with turm, wear one def armor and show you that combat levels + defence matter no matter what you wear. Then again, I could use your logic and call you inferior because you can't beat me when i have my barrows armor on :whistling:

 

 

your first point is completely useless as i already said we have declined the war and other wars yet so has mm when things didnt suit them... therefore what the actual **** are you getting at by complaining about foe declining any war when your clan has declined a war also in the past? You either accept every war declared on you or you dont have any grounds to pass judgement or complaint when another clan declines for whatever reason on you... thought that much would be pretty straight forward and logical.

 

You also counter everything with the same old boring line of full of excuses or come up with new excuses... yet all i hear from you is an excuse to counter an excuse which means yet again you are doing what you preach shouldnt be done. DOH.

 

you are uneducated if you dont know how many mm slumps ive been through or had a hand in causing... yea i will be that guy and claim some credit, make up an excuse as to why i am wrong now like a good boy.

 

wait whats that... another excuse? turmoil? in 1 def? a likely excuse there my good friend. If your clan accepts med levels with turm in 1 def armour then so be it, if we declare a war on you we will know that and happily fight them obviously.

 

enjoy.

Idk if you're writing so much to make people actually believe the bs you're saying or you're just plain retarded BUT, in my 4 years of mostly being mm, we declined one war but redeclared on our own terms. you declined like 3-4 p2p fullouts. My point isn't completely useless because we've only declined one but re-challenged right after but you 3-4.

 

 

I wont even reply to the next one or your own good because I don't see any excuses in my post :mellow:

 

About slumps, You've had a hand in causing slumps because you would team with other clans and on top of that bring mains #foemains. Your clan alone hasn't slumped anyone lately :rolleyes:

 

Also i like how hypothetically speaking if we accepted med levels you would want a 1 def war but earlier you asked for a no cap declaration. Must be nice Subconsciously being a hypocrite. Old habits must be hard to break. :whistling:

 

 

Myself alone had more than three wars declined without a redeclaration within any reasonable or sensible time to suggest it was a redeclaration. Also why are you saying that declining a war to redeclare with your won rules is any better? If, actually i have said foe would war mm with everything on and no restrictions. Please point out the difference as by your own argument you just beat yourself lol.

 

you forget teaming with foe to take on epidemic ;0 i enjoyed working with your leadership on such events was my idea to bring the same team cape which speshls lapped up... simply loved wearing the same cape as me. Please show me where i said if you accepted med levels i would want a 1 def cap. You stated i could go on a med level in def 1 gear and i said if that is what your clan accepted and i declared on you than that is what i would expect. Did not alter anything you said yourself. Mug.

[Pamniac]

stop predict and wait couple weeks to find out

[Solo]

I don't understand why clans like FOE are complaining about being "limited" when they will end up fighting clans with even more 30+ def kids like TLP/FI (this is of course making the flawed assumption that FOE don't sit all their 1 def pures lol).

 

This applies to all clans, really. It seems like you don't realize that your clans have 1 def members too. Why put some of your own members at a disadvantage, rather than making the playing field equal, even among yourselves? The way I see it, there is no disadvantage to any participating clans or members if there is a strict 1 def cap, but if defenders etc. are allowed, then real pures regardless of clan affiliation get the short end of the stick.

 

 

Because foe is happy to fight the fight, we dont need advantages to win.

 

now why dont you and all the other good little girls in mm whipe your vaginas and sort it out.

 

Lol walli'd. Unlike Mm we are looking for a challenge and not the same old fight over and over. Even if Fi and Tlp have more 30 def we see this as a way to make ourselves better.

If you really wanted a challenge, then you would have accepted our fullout.

 

Walli you're retarded; you somehow managed to spell a 4 letter word wrong. If you didn't need advantages to win, you wouldn't have complained about MM declaring on you with 1 def cap, and yet you did, instead saying that you wanted no rules whatsoever. The contradictions keep piling up as you spout more and more garbage rofl.

 

Also, not to beat a dead horse, but since it hasn't penetrated your thick skull yet, MM gets no advantage from 1 def gear, just less of a disadvantage.

 

 

i see so you are saying we declined because you declared with 1 defence.. ah so it is an advantage i see.

 

oh but wait now 1 defence is not an advantage.

 

noooooooo this is all just propagandaaaaa

 

and we can and will call ourselves legends of p2p because we have many solid years to back up the statement. Likewise i dont really think, nor does anybody who means much to in my opinion, anybody cares what you want to call yourselves with your run of high opts.

 

woooooo crazy curry, you are well cool you mate. I have sat through this many a time, then sat through the time which will come where the tables turn and i have to facepalm everytime a mug in foe acts exactly like you and thinks he is the big balls because we are pulling big and winning a lot at the moment.

 

that being said though, not winning much lately. Taking the scraps in the wilderness like good boys. Keep doing exactly what every other clan allows you to do in the wilderness... maybe fix up them leaks first.

I'll start by pointing this out. If I were to go pking on a maxed main in edgeville wearing full dharok's, and I fought a med lvl (70 def) in the same gear, I would utterly destroy him, despite only being 29 def lvls higher. You can't possibly say that I don't have an advantage over the med lvl despite us using the same gear. That's the exact same level difference as between a pure and a turmain. Even if the gear is the same, the higher combat account has a distinct advantage. Therefore, if both sides were to wear 1 def gear, the side with all the 1 defers would still be at a disadvantage.

 

Anyways, on to all the lies you feed your members and this community.

 

So, the main reason FOE declined is because their pulls are pathetic and you can't compete, but not according to your propaganda. You decline a 1 def cap fullout but then say this:

If you wanna full out foe then sure, declare with everything goes.

As I have already gone over, 1 def cap is not an advantage to us, it is simply limiting the disadvantage to just levels rather than levels + gear.

 

So you would accept a fullout with no def cap because you think you would win if you could use better gear than MM's 1 def pures, but not when the playing field is equal (and not even equal, you still get 34 def levels on us)?

 

That's strange, because I seem to recall you saying this:

 

foe is happy to fight the fight, we dont need advantages to win.

 

Seems a bit contradictory, doesn't it? Looks like that's another lie FOE's been feeding its members and the rest of the pure community. But don't worry Walli, you're not fooling anyone as you continually raise your def cap in order to compete.

 

You can cling on to the past. Yes, you used to be the #1 p2p, but under the current leadership, who, based on your leaderboards, are your puppets, your clan is dying, having been relegated to #3 p2p and #6 f2p.

 

We are the "big balls" as you say because nobody can match us in the wilderness in either server, and until that changes, everyone who isn't hiding their head in the sand as you are knows that MM is #1.

 

As for our trips, when we have the most kills just about every single Saturday and Sunday, it's pretty difficult to dismiss that as scraps. But then again, I guess that's all the current FOE amounts to: scraps.

 

Obviously I haven't been around that long so I don't know how you got out of previous slumps, but something tells me that it wasn't by lying about your losses and spouting propaganda. Look where that got EOP. This time last year they were pulling 130 and competing with MM, now they pull a third of that, around 45 and fight CP.

 

When we were getting destroyed by FOE in p2p when I joined, we didn't pretend that we were winning. We blamed ourselves and used it as incentive to improve, and here we are, the undisputed #1 in p2p now.

 

Maybe it's time for you to let someone else take hold of the reins of FOE because it seems like you don't have the mental capacity nor the character to man up and drive your clan forward. Alternatively, you can keep feeding your members and the community lies and watch as it slowly asphyxiates your clan.

 

LMFAO. I don't necessarily respect FOE for their recent actions but you are full of **** lol. Every Sunday your clan would have topic(s) on their forums about killing FOE when they completely dismantled you, couple I have leaked on our forums aswell. You talk about them teaming? What about the teaming you've done with HF against them in P2P for the past 2 years? And by the way, just for the record in case you're new, HF + MM formed the FOEOP alliance.

 

And just because we aren't competing with MM anymore it means we're slumping? Okay lol

 

**** OT: FOE will win

[Drunky]

I don't understand why clans like FOE are complaining about being "limited" when they will end up fighting clans with even more 30+ def kids like TLP/FI (this is of course making the flawed assumption that FOE don't sit all their 1 def pures lol).

 

This applies to all clans, really. It seems like you don't realize that your clans have 1 def members too. Why put some of your own members at a disadvantage, rather than making the playing field equal, even among yourselves? The way I see it, there is no disadvantage to any participating clans or members if there is a strict 1 def cap, but if defenders etc. are allowed, then real pures regardless of clan affiliation get the short end of the stick.

 

 

Because foe is happy to fight the fight, we dont need advantages to win.

 

now why dont you and all the other good little girls in mm whipe your vaginas and sort it out.

 

Lol walli'd. Unlike Mm we are looking for a challenge and not the same old fight over and over. Even if Fi and Tlp have more 30 def we see this as a way to make ourselves better.

If you really wanted a challenge, then you would have accepted our fullout.

 

Walli you're retarded; you somehow managed to spell a 4 letter word wrong. If you didn't need advantages to win, you wouldn't have complained about MM declaring on you with 1 def cap, and yet you did, instead saying that you wanted no rules whatsoever. The contradictions keep piling up as you spout more and more garbage rofl.

 

Also, not to beat a dead horse, but since it hasn't penetrated your thick skull yet, MM gets no advantage from 1 def gear, just less of a disadvantage.

 

 

i see so you are saying we declined because you declared with 1 defence.. ah so it is an advantage i see.

 

oh but wait now 1 defence is not an advantage.

 

noooooooo this is all just propagandaaaaa

 

and we can and will call ourselves legends of p2p because we have many solid years to back up the statement. Likewise i dont really think, nor does anybody who means much to in my opinion, anybody cares what you want to call yourselves with your run of high opts.

 

woooooo crazy curry, you are well cool you mate. I have sat through this many a time, then sat through the time which will come where the tables turn and i have to facepalm everytime a mug in foe acts exactly like you and thinks he is the big balls because we are pulling big and winning a lot at the moment.

 

that being said though, not winning much lately. Taking the scraps in the wilderness like good boys. Keep doing exactly what every other clan allows you to do in the wilderness... maybe fix up them leaks first.

I'll start by pointing this out. If I were to go pking on a maxed main in edgeville wearing full dharok's, and I fought a med lvl (70 def) in the same gear, I would utterly destroy him, despite only being 29 def lvls higher. You can't possibly say that I don't have an advantage over the med lvl despite us using the same gear. That's the exact same level difference as between a pure and a turmain. Even if the gear is the same, the higher combat account has a distinct advantage. Therefore, if both sides were to wear 1 def gear, the side with all the 1 defers would still be at a disadvantage.

 

Anyways, on to all the lies you feed your members and this community.

 

So, the main reason FOE declined is because their pulls are pathetic and you can't compete, but not according to your propaganda. You decline a 1 def cap fullout but then say this:

If you wanna full out foe then sure, declare with everything goes.

As I have already gone over, 1 def cap is not an advantage to us, it is simply limiting the disadvantage to just levels rather than levels + gear.

 

So you would accept a fullout with no def cap because you think you would win if you could use better gear than MM's 1 def pures, but not when the playing field is equal (and not even equal, you still get 34 def levels on us)?

 

That's strange, because I seem to recall you saying this:

 

foe is happy to fight the fight, we dont need advantages to win.

 

Seems a bit contradictory, doesn't it? Looks like that's another lie FOE's been feeding its members and the rest of the pure community. But don't worry Walli, you're not fooling anyone as you continually raise your def cap in order to compete.

 

You can cling on to the past. Yes, you used to be the #1 p2p, but under the current leadership, who, based on your leaderboards, are your puppets, your clan is dying, having been relegated to #3 p2p and #6 f2p.

 

We are the "big balls" as you say because nobody can match us in the wilderness in either server, and until that changes, everyone who isn't hiding their head in the sand as you are knows that MM is #1.

 

As for our trips, when we have the most kills just about every single Saturday and Sunday, it's pretty difficult to dismiss that as scraps. But then again, I guess that's all the current FOE amounts to: scraps.

 

Obviously I haven't been around that long so I don't know how you got out of previous slumps, but something tells me that it wasn't by lying about your losses and spouting propaganda. Look where that got EOP. This time last year they were pulling 130 and competing with MM, now they pull a third of that, around 45 and fight CP.

 

When we were getting destroyed by FOE in p2p when I joined, we didn't pretend that we were winning. We blamed ourselves and used it as incentive to improve, and here we are, the undisputed #1 in p2p now.

 

Maybe it's time for you to let someone else take hold of the reins of FOE because it seems like you don't have the mental capacity nor the character to man up and drive your clan forward. Alternatively, you can keep feeding your members and the community lies and watch as it slowly asphyxiates your clan.

 

LMFAO. I don't necessarily respect FOE for their recent actions but you are full of **** lol. Every Sunday your clan would have topic(s) on their forums about killing FOE when they completely dismantled you, couple I have leaked on our forums aswell. You talk about them teaming? What about the teaming you've done with HF against them in P2P for the past 2 years? And by the way, just for the record in case you're new, HF + MM formed the FOEOP alliance.

 

And just because we aren't competing with MM anymore it means we're slumping? Okay lol

 

**** OT: FOE will win

no one cares if you're slumping or not. and if you think HF+MM caused the eop alliance, even PW logs of trip aftermaths prove otherwise. Sad that you're even buying into the propaganda you fed our clan. Weren't you the one who cried about mm bringing 'mains' into 'pure' fights because you couldn't 2v1 us as usual? :teehee: