My View on Defence.

[Bob]

You're all trying to trace a line between what's pure and what's not. The truth is this is impossible to do and you're simply wasting your time.

 

The definition of a "pure" was never set in stone by anyone. It's simply someone who decided to call it that way when they made their account. They could've called it "Ownajer" and we'd all be discussing where to trace the line between an Ownajer and a non-Ownajer.

 

So long as you try and trace that line, you're wasting your time. It will never work. No-one can give you facts as to where trace that line because it's impossible.

 

If you want facts you can say that 1 defense is more pure than 10, which is more pure than 20.

[Chain]

the line will be drawn at 39 defense

 

1 is pure, nothing else, although 2+ is accepted in pure clans

 

 

 

its runescape, **** happens

[O_o]

In this case what you're saying is because people are adapting to updates brought into the game to NOT take advantage of them? Clearly your biased opinions have multiple flaws in them. If a pure is what you guys are typing up now. Then what made "pures" get higher attack? To take advantage of something that was in the game. That was a few years ago, and years later you guys completely forget about the past and complain about the presence. If anything the only way you can clearly be a pure in this game is 1 in every stat excluding these builds. Range & Hitpoints, Magic & Hitpoints, and finally Strength & Hitpoints. The reason you're seeing more different types of builds because everyone DOESN'T think alike. If we were all to make a real "pure" we would be identical in every and anyway which would cause the gameplay to become dull. Which is the reason why people decided to expand their techniques and become more unique than the others. Also afaik I see hundred of thousands of pures with summoning is that also a impure? Because they also adapted to an update to make use of it in anyway possible. Don't just limit this down to defence seems more biased expand it to where it contains all possible skills && it might be low-key grammar its 1:53 AM I'm abit tired.

[Bristol]

I think that anyone over 25 def shouldn't be in a pure clan. It's simply not pure anymore, the limit has always been 20 with clans and it should have stayed that way. 25 could be accepted because of accidents but nothing higher, seriously. With 30 def people can start wearing third age, addy and using turmoil. It's just not pure.

 

Yes, I'm in Fi.

[`Pure]

Opinions don't have to be flames for you trolls out there.

A troll that openly flames is no troll at all good sir.

[Carnage]

EOP has like 6 addy

IR has 3 addy?

E has like 10 addy plus 2 31 def as plode told me.

TLP idk has alot

Fi has alot.

Fi has two, one of them which went against the orders of not getting it. Good try though idiot.

[Liam]

runescape.

[Angus]

1 defence is pure, 2+ is impure.

[Final]

runescape.

 

 

r000nscape

[Mr Fred]

Pure world is gettin owned by the new **** who have no knowledge at all what a pure is, so more and more people get 30 def becuase "it owns" appearantly. I believe you can pk as much on 1. 5. 10 defence. Oh and I hate the ags and dclaws too becuase it takes no skills at all to use it. The pure world is getting owned by 09ers who are pretty much mains makig pures, and now more and more becuase of that damn mini game call soul wars. This game is getting easier and easier everyday, which is not the point

[Loco]

Ok lemme explain it. 1 def is pure, 10 def is blk pure(which isnt an actual pure), 20 def is a mith pure or w/e u wanna call it(but it isnt an actual pure aswell), 30 def is an addy noob, 40 def+ is a main.

 

/endtopic

[Final]

yeah what that guy said.

[-Dpur3-]

Meh everyone classifies it differently..

[Jake]

Some interesting responses, basicly I see pure as an account with the maximum/high offensive stats for his level. So a lvl 60 with 20 def wouldn't really be pure but a level 90+ account with 20 def can have very offensive stats for his level . Same could go for a level 100+ with 30 def.

 

I'de draw the line of purity at 25/30 def :confused: .

[Guest Xihtug7]

iff u train def on purpose then u aint pure

[`JvYv]

Vail Point.

[Poison]

Lol@the next thing accepted being rune, do you realize how long people have been saying that?

[Loco]

Lol@the next thing accepted being rune, do you realize how long people have been saying that?

same what happened to 20/30def

[Mateo]

Okay, there hasn't been any logical reasoning supporting higher def as pure, and the arguments denying certain defense levels as pure are rather lacking. I'm not surprised after seeing all the lack of intelligent posts on my teleporting topic. I think I can speak for every single intelligent individual on this forum when I say that I don't want to see any posts that contain an statement with no supporting evidence other than ridiculing all opposing views. Now anyways, I'll be here to discuss what actually is a pure.

 

Definition of Purity

 

What is a pure? A lot of people define it as a account with 1 defense, an account with 1-20 defense, and some people even define it as an account with 1-35 defense. The question is why defense? Let's say I make a new type of account called a Theta where you must have 30-40 strength and base a community around it. Would it be reasonable? Absolutely not, because I just arbitrarily chose a requirement. That's the exact same thing that is wrong with the pure world today. People choose the defense requirement entirely arbitrarily with no logical reasoning, only that it has been a tradition.

 

The purpose that 1 defense accounts were made back then was to have the best possible pking build at a given level. That means that if you face a random opponent, you will have the greatest chances of winning with a pure build. It has nothing to do with having low defense, or having a build strictly for offensive bonuses. It just so happens that offense bonuses help you win fights more than defense bonuses, that's why everyone is so adamant with the idea of low defense and we should break out of that habit. If certain defensive gear helps you win fights more than the counterpart offensive gear does, then having the higher def would be more pure.

 

Why is it essential that we must maximize our potential at our level? It's because of the way pvp/bh works. We are only able to fight others that are around our level. When you are fighting someone the same level as you, it is very advantageous that you have better stats than they do. The combat level system in Runescape is only a vague estimation of your combat abilities. It is a pure's job to exploit the combat level calculation system in their favor in order to attain the maximum combat capabilities at the lowest combat level.

 

So for the rest of this post, I will use this definition of being a pure:

Pure - An account with a combination of stats which allows for the greatest winning potential in a single 1 vs 1 fight excluding maxed out accounts.

 

General Rules of Purity

A pure is the best possible build at a certain level. Most people argue that to be a pure, you have to have 60- attack, 52- pray, 1 def, etc. What if I want to be the best possible build at a higher level, say 90? Then I would have to raise some stats don't I? If I build correctly to become the best possible account at lvl 90, then I would still be pure, just a higher level one. If I wanted to be the best possible account at level 20, there would be a specific build that would be best for level 20 as well. Yes, that does mean that 45 defense is pure, but it's a different type of pure. We call them Rune Pures. We do not fight Rune Pures in single or in wars, unless of course you have high attack/pray which makes you a different type of pure. Just because we are all classified under the name pure does not make us the same though. We all seek to achieve the same purpose, but we are not associated due to our level differences. The type of pure that we are interested in is the type with low defense.

 

Pures in F2P

What is the best possible build in f2p? It is 40 defense. I am 1 defense and I kill 40 defers all the time, and I'm sure that a lot of other 1 def pures here kill 40 defers all the time as well, but one thing that we can agree on is that they have a much higher chance of winning. An account with 40 attack and 40 defense will beat any 1 defense account in every single fight outside a very lucky hit. By my definition of being a pure, 40 defense is definitely the most pure in f2p, or 60 defense if you use corrupt dragon armor. There is another factor though. In f2p, the only fights worth fighting are fights without armor. Defense in f2p degrades pking entirely. Even though 40 defense will beat 1 defense, any fight where one or two of the combatants are in armor is a fight not worth fighting. For this reason, in f2p, 1 defense is the only pure.

 

Pures in P2P

Now this is where is gets interesting. There is no single definition of a p2p pure since there are many viable options. I will first go over what builds are pure and then what builds are not pure and explanations on why. I will classify everything as low, mid, and high level pures. Note that this is NOT the same classifications as we use, I am just simply using them as names.

 

Low Level Pures

 

60- Attack

52- Prayer

1 Defense

 

This is the most basic pure. The highest level they can attain is level 83. No matter what level their primary stats are, they will usually be the most formidable build.

 

Mid Level Pures

 

75-99 Attack

~99 Str

52-99 Pray

1 Defense

 

This is a pure with their offensive stats maxed out. With whips, godswords, and saradomin swords, they have an extremely high damage output for their level. They are too high to fight low level pures and for that reason they are classified as mid level pures/

 

60- Attack

~99 Atr/Range

52- Pray

45 Defense

 

This is the lower level rune pure. At 45 defense, you have tons of new options available. The only contender you have is the other mid level pure build. For that reason, these two builds are in the same category.

 

High Level Pures

 

~99 Attack

~99 Str

45 Defense

 

Melee option that you see in HF/VH/PX

 

150- Attack + Str

~99 Range

~99 Def

 

Range option you see in HF/VH/PX.

 

Impure Builds

 

13 Defense

A lot of people get 13 defense for rune gloves, but I think that it is just an excuse to wear better armor in wars. Rune gloves do nothing on top of adamant gloves. They give an additional +1 strength bonus which does not even affect your max hit at most levels. It's just the very odd level that makes it go up by one. The 13 defense costs 3 combat levels worth of defense. Your opponents will all have 6 more range, 9 more str, 12 more def, or a combination of them, but all you get is a measly +1 str bonus and black armor.

 

34 Defense

Barrows gloves isn't much better than rune gloves. You are getting +4 str bonus for 8 combat levels. The question is, does that make you the best at your combat level? The simple answer is absolutely not. Let's say you have 99 attack and 99 str. Your 45 defense counterpart will have 99 str and 91 attack. So when you are fighting a rune pure, they will have higher accuracy, damage, and defense than you, and they also have lunar. You are not just losing in one aspect, you are worse in every single way.

 

80 str/range 45 defense

If you are not maxed or almost maxed and you have 45 defense, you are not pure and you should not be pking. If you did not get the 45 defense and got higher primary stats instead putting you at the same level, you would be much better off. Until you max yourself out, you are not pure.

 

20 Defense

I'm not going to argue why 20 defense is not pure. I'm sure everyone out there with 20 defense even knows it.

 

75 Attack

A 75 attack pure is still pretty good, and definitely a viable option, but the levels that it gives you leaves range being an nonviable option. That's why I am hesitant to put 75 attack is perfectly pure. The extra combat levels it gives you makes you fight people with higher defense. Dscim and dds are fine, and you can also use them in a non +1 world unlike SS/GS.

 

Pures in Clans

 

Okay, enough about solo pking and onto warring. This is where purity is important to the pure community. We have to set standards on what is acceptable in wars and what is not.

 

Among the 3 categories of pures that I listed, we can automatically assume that low level pures are acceptable and high level pures are not. As for the mid level pures, I would accept the 99atk/str/1 def and not the 45 def one. The reason is that in pure wars, there is almost no difference between 99 attack and 60 attack. The only time it makes a difference is when attacking mithlords, but that doesn't mean 99 attack is impure, it means 20 defense is impure. If someone happens to have up to 25 defense, they must wear 1 defense gear. Having everyone in 10 defense gear is not a compromise. Having everyone in 1 defense gear is close to a compromise, but people with defense still have an advantage. I really don't know why people think that 10 defense wars is fair to both 20 defers and 1 defers. It is not at all fair. 1 def wars is close to fair, but a 25 defer wearing iron still tanks a lot longer than he should.

 

As a summary, this is what the standard of pure clans should be:

 

Pures

60- Attack

52- Pray

1 Def

 

Discouraged Pures

60+ Attack

or

52+Pray

or

5-25 Def (Must wear 1 defense armor)

 

The reason why I believe that discouraged pures can still be allowed in wars is because having high attack and prayer makes little difference. They cannot war with rune pures because not having defense does make a considerable difference when warring. If they have defense, then they must wear 1 defense gear. The advantage that 25 def gear gives above 1 def gear is same as the advantage that 45 def gear gives above 25 def gear. It is unfair to the 1 defense people.

 

It is 3:30 am now, I'm going to sleep and finishing this up later today. Feel free to comment now.

 

 

Read it all, and I agree with a lot of this except for when you went into details about stats.

 

I feel as long as the stats make sense for armor setup and they are getting the most of their stats for their combat then they are considered pure in the terms of what Ray's first paragraphs described, which is what I also believe in.

[Cuality]

1 Defense is Pure. Look up the word in the dictionary fellas'. If you are PURE, you are FREE of Defense. 2-5 IS NOT PURE, Regardless of mistake, etc. But you can still be classified as an PKer. There's no such thing as an Initiate Pure, Addy Pure, or Rune Pure. They're PKers, they aren't PURE of defense. People need to stop living in denial that their isn't truly a Pure Community. There is a low defense PKer community.

[Carnage]

1 Defense is Pure. Look up the word in the dictionary fellas'. If you are PURE, you are FREE of Defense. 2-5 IS NOT PURE, Regardless of mistake, etc. But you can still be classified as an PKer. There's no such thing as an Initiate Pure, Addy Pure, or Rune Pure. They're PKers, they aren't PURE of defense. People need to stop living in denial that their isn't truly a Pure Community. There is a low defense PKer community.

Agreed.

[kyle-]

I don't think people who get 30-39 defence think they are pure, they just think they're ownage because they can tank better, they don't care as long as they're accepted into clans. "Tank". Usually not a word used until recently (past year or two) If I remember correctly.

[O_o]

It used to be called dragging then since PCL the meaning dragging got replaced with another and the previous meaning of it was added to the word tanking.

[Drake]

Pure world is gettin owned by the new **** who have no knowledge at all what a pure is, so more and more people get 30 def becuase "it owns" appearantly. I believe you can pk as much on 1. 5. 10 defence. Oh and I hate the ags and dclaws too becuase it takes no skills at all to use it. The pure world is getting owned by 09ers who are pretty much mains makig pures, and now more and more becuase of that damn mini game call soul wars. This game is getting easier and easier everyday, which is not the point

 

 

This.

 

1 Defence is technically what is pure, but what pure clans accept is a totally different thing.

[Chris`iDi]

After all of these time I've been in Pure Warfare or Pure Community they always have been debating on what the **** is a pure. To be honest there is no pure, only a character who chooses to max out their level with low defence. mmkay