Whats Happening

[Ryan-]

Agreed.

[Westy]

I would have to say the opposite. EOP has been very respectful when they were a more conservative clan. Recently, EOP has been experiencing a few issues with flame and disrespect towards other clans which we strongly seek to fix. E has become worse and worse as well. Back when they were a low level clan, I had respect for them since they had a good community and were determined to succeed at the same time. Then they just resorted to crashing, flaming, spamming IRCs, etc, in order to entertain their own members at the expense of other clans. Back when FOE was the clear #1 clan, I had to spend a lot of time cleaning flame posts on PC, but it was only flame from some less mature members so it's not that bad. Same goes with MM. On the other hand, Fi managed to stay very respectful for the most part while they were dominant.

sorry but you just chat so much ****. Epidemic just respond too much to flamebaits and **** too much on this forum, i admit, but why is flaming the flamebaiters worse than the baits themselves?

 

And as for crashing... you think when we were #4 MM/FOE didn't crash E? in P2P MM still crash E (crashed a planned run in with Carnage not so long back). You seem to hate E, which tbh idc about but you see everything that E has done thats negative, but not see the negatives others have done. Just because E are #1 on saturday weekends now and are getting our own back on the clans that crashed us before or in P2P you think our community has gone down hill? Well you are wrong.

 

Everyone needs a reason to hate on the best so i don't really blame you, but try n keep it off PW...

[Pal]

Idk why people are bringing in other clan such as Epidemic, yeah they were a low level clan who made it way further then anyone expected just like Dy, A, M but the fact that those three clans with the same potential and had a rivaly between eachother back in the low lvl PCL. All 3 of those clans moved to Mid PCL on the same day and I don't know.. Epidemic was just never there never alive at the time I belive.. So idk why people are bringing in those clans and discussing about it its just the fact that those 3 clans, which formed some kind of bond if you look at it in the old low lvl PCL era are all closed up till today..

 

Whats your point? if thats what this topic is about lol

[kyle-]

DP was also a low level clan when it first opened. 60+ stats, or lower. If you're asking about low clans progressing higher, there are a few.

[Pal]

Forgot about DP

[Toby]

Let's not get carried away. Sure low level clans can still make it. It might be tough for them now because like most of these guys said, the community clans are done and over with. Now it's all about opts and who can out pull who. The bigger the clan in pvp the most likely they will win. (this doesn't always happen with every clan depending on organization) But to be honest, it sure seems like the low level clans are becoming more difficult to maintain.

 

Back when I led Inception, the clans we were facing were Ub, Vd, Mg and Ob. These clans 3 out of 4 survived after our Closure. Now it seems as if 1 of these top leading low level clans close, the rest of them tend to follow up weeks later. I feel the low level clan community is in critical shape. There just isn't enough support for them anymore.

 

Look at Vd, they are still up and running smoothly? You can't say low level clans are done with. Every clan has a chance to make it into the big leagues, just like Epidemic did.

[`Pure]

Im sorry but you're absolutely clueless. Writing a wall of text doesn't make you right. Don't pretend like you know anything about Epidemic.

Don't pretend like you don't crash, flame, and spam IRC's. :lol:

 

Just because your EPIDEMIC BAWB doesn't make you right.

[Range4lyfe01]

God I love Taylor Swift.

 

And DP started pretty low, not as low as Epidemic though.

[Ray]

sorry but you just chat so much ****. Epidemic just respond too much to flamebaits and **** too much on this forum, i admit, but why is flaming the flamebaiters worse than the baits themselves?

 

And as for crashing... you think when we were #4 MM/FOE didn't crash E? in P2P MM still crash E (crashed a planned run in with Carnage not so long back). You seem to hate E, which tbh idc about but you see everything that E has done thats negative, but not see the negatives others have done. Just because E are #1 on saturday weekends now and are getting our own back on the clans that crashed us before or in P2P you think our community has gone down hill? Well you are wrong.

 

Everyone needs a reason to hate on the best so i don't really blame you, but try n keep it off PW...

 

One of the main reasons why everyone hates Epidemic so much is that you all think this way. You all think that what you are doing is so righteous just because it was done on you. If a certain clan intentionally harms you, then take up your quarrels with them. If another clan crashed my clan intentionally, I would want to crash them back. I can understand that entirely. What I don't understand is why innocent clans have to suffer. I don't understand why you guys intentionally crashed Ascendency a few times, did spam attacks on our IRC, had your staff and leader threaten to hit us until we slump/close. I also don't understand why one of your staff members think it's funny to spam porn in our IRC. I don't get any of that at all. Back when I was Fi, you guys overtook them and they let you have #3. I don't know why you had to crash them and say that it was actually a fair fight just so you can claim #3. I don't understand why you did that. Several weeks ago, you massed up just to crash a BH prep war between M and IR. I don't understand why you did that. Recently, you BSed TGG's Christmas event that was designed to bring the entire pure community closer together. I don't understand why you did that either. When TGG complained about it, all you did was boast about it, post kill pics, and brag about how great of a time you had. I don't understand why you had to do that. Recently you guys also spammed out EOD's IRC. I don't know if it was just a group of immature members or if it was led by a staff member, but either way, I don't understand why you did it. I can write an entire newspaper full of the irrational acts you committed to clans that did nothing to harm you if I had the effort, but the main idea is that I don't understand why you did any of that. On top of everything, I don't know why you have to tell everyone that they hate you because you are #1. Bob is completely accurate when he says that I'm clueless. I am completely clueless as to why you would go to such extents to harm clans that did nothing but respect you. I'm pretty confident that everyone knows why they hate you and they don't need you making up reasons for us. Back when FOE, MM, Fi, or EOP were #1, I had respect for them. When Cy overtook A within a week of opening, I only had respect for them. I can speak for a lot of people when I say that I don't hate you guys just because you are powerful, I hate you because of all the wrongdoings you have done to us. By telling us why we hate you, all you are doing is pissing us off more. If FOE or MM crashes you guys, I really couldn't care less if you crash them back. I don't understand why everyone needs to be crashed, spammed, flamed, etc. Now I am as clueless as ever. Please explain to me how you could do so much to us and expect that we only hate you because you are #1.

[Anthoni]

Ray just ******* hit a 99 on Epidemic.

 

Wow.

[Goop]

EOP Juniors is a pro low level clan :P

[Range4lyfe01]

Ray just ******* hit a 99 on Epidemic.

 

Wow.

 

Lol

 

I actually read that whole post.

[Bob]

Don't pretend like you don't crash, flame, and spam IRC's. :lol:

 

Just because your EPIDEMIC BAWB doesn't make you right.

 

I founded this clan and I'm still here today. I'm pretty sure I know exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about my clan.

 

No where I said anything like you mentioned in your post.

 

Ray I told you writing wall of texts doesn't make you right. Half of the **** you said are total lies and the other half is like "omg they spammed my irc" when it was like one idiot member who most likely got striked/booted afterwards.

[Tyler]

I founded this clan and I'm still here today. I'm pretty sure I know exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about my clan.

 

No where I said anything like you mentioned in your post.

 

Ray I told you writing wall of texts doesn't make you right. Half of the **** you said are total lies and the other half is like "omg they spammed my irc" when it was like one idiot member who most likely got striked/booted afterwards.

Nothing against you Bob, but everything he posted I can remember.

 

Ascendency started out as people 30 combat with 90+ attack and strength combined reqs, I forget the range and mage. I'd say they were a true low level clan when they started, but now a days low level clans are more or less 60+ stats... with the level 108 in mithril as well.

[rasol46483655]

ray just clawed E out who cares if it isnt relevant it was pro

[Bob]

Nothing against you Bob, but everything he posted I can remember.

 

Really?

 

I talked with Anthony (Ascendency's Leader) the last time Ray said our members porn bombed Ascendency's forums and he said that you got spammed but there was no proof whatsoever that it was from Epidemic.

 

I just pmed Sefket (EOD Leader) about Ray's claim of "a group of members spamming EOD's IRC" and here's the result...

<Bawb[AFK]> Did a group of Epidemic spam your irc recently?

<[EOD]Sick> I think we did get spammed today

<[EOD]Sick> didnt see names,

<Bawb[AFK]> Was it Epidemic?

<[EOD]Sick> not sure mate

 

He's the main leader and he's not even sure if it's Epidemic yet Ray knows it's us right? To me that just proves my point that he's a biased idiot.

 

Let me add in that I am friends with both of these leaders and I am more than positive they would alert me if my members were being idiots like that. Hell, Sefket warned me about one of our applicants last week, he wouldn't PM me about my members spamming his IRC? Give me a break.

 

As for the "threats an Epidemic rank made". I apologized for that in the past, that member had acted while he was mad. Want to know why?

 

He was mad because Ascendency had crashed one of our fights since you were mad we had killed you earlier while you weren't even in a fight. Oh wait? Did you crash us? Then you must've "hit an innocent" clan as well?

 

Want to talk about the crashing? We have reasons to crash certain clans. We have kept off several fights, we have ACed several fights, don't give me the **** like "omg we are the big bad guys who crash all the innocent clans".

 

I don't recall crashing any Fatality fight. I always had respect for them, even when we took #3. I've been leading the majority of trips for the past year and I'm 100% sure we did not crash a Fatality fight.

 

For the TGG xmas event. BSing started that wasn't caused by Epidemic members and E/CP/EOP members teamed up to fight everyone else. Epidemic was singled out because of a few MM and FOE haters fueling the fire. Hell, I even apologized in leader's section for whatever some of our members did when I wasn't there.

 

I won't even argue with the fact that he says our community has gone downhill. As I said in my first reply, you are absolutely clueless.

[Mr Fred]

Ppl grow up

[Bob]

On the note of people spamming other clan's IRCs... I got this just now..

 

 

 

(21:49:34) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl

(21:49:36) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl

(21:49:38) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl

(21:49:40) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl

(21:49:42) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl

(21:49:44) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl

(21:49:46) -BlueLikesHairyMen- Blue u makin no ****** sense rofl

 

<Bawb[AFK]> Can you stop spamming me with your bot?

<{mike}> What bot is it

<{mike}> BlueLikesHairyMen?

<Bawb[AFK]> yes

<{mike}> Thats not mine

<Bawb[AFK]> anyways

<Bawb[AFK]> What about [EOP]Bot

<Bawb[AFK]> ?

<{mike}> Mine are [EOP]Bot BLACKUP and R-Ya-RdY-KiD

<Bawb[AFK]> well can you stop spamming me with these?

<{mike}> [EOP] is mine

<Bawb[AFK]> I got spammed by them oday

<{mike}> ?

<{mike}> I never spammed you?

<{mike}> (21:39:33) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #TGG

<{mike}> (21:40:11) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #TGG

<{mike}> (21:40:11) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #TGG

<{mike}> (21:42:00) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> LoLGEEGEE timers off

<{mike}> (21:43:00) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> LoLGEEGEE nick BlueLikesHairyMen

<{mike}> (21:43:00) * LoLGEEGEE is now known as BlueLikesHairyMen

<{mike}> (21:43:12) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #tgg

<{mike}> (21:44:06) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> !rage #tgg

<{mike}> He has his own

<{mike}> Probs him

<Bawb[AFK]> ?

<Bawb[AFK]> so it's one of your ranks?

<{mike}> Idk probs

<{mike}> It wasn't me

<{mike}> I'll ask him

<{mike}> (21:54:02) <@{mike}> [EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P

<{mike}> (21:54:08) <@{mike}> Did you spam bawb[afk]

<{mike}> (21:54:26) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> no

<{mike}> (21:54:41) <@[EoP]S_u_w_0_0_P> hes in #TGG

<Bawb[AFK]> so you're letting your ranks spam TGG's irc for whatever reason and at the same time get all the "innocent" people spammed?

<{mike}> No

<{mike}> I told him stop

<Bawb[AFK]> ...

 

 

Ray isn't that your leader?

[Mr Fred]

He's eop :D

[Asher]

I would have to say the opposite. EOP has been very respectful when they were a more conservative clan. Recently, EOP has been experiencing a few issues with flame and disrespect towards other clans which we strongly seek to fix. E has become worse and worse as well. Back when they were a low level clan, I had respect for them since they had a good community and were determined to succeed at the same time. Then they just resorted to crashing, flaming, spamming IRCs, etc, in order to entertain their own members at the expense of other clans. Back when FOE was the clear #1 clan, I had to spend a lot of time cleaning flame posts on PC, but it was only flame from some less mature members so it's not that bad. Same goes with MM. On the other hand, Fi managed to stay very respectful for the most part while they were dominant.

 

Fi used to spam our irc, this included halfops as well. We continuously get crashed by the top pure clans. Even by your own clan.

 

Every clan has idiotic members who are cocky and will flame. Its how **** is and its never going to change.

[kyle-]

Ray you're pretty biased.

 

Epidemic aren't that bad, I don't believe they have crashed us in the last couple months. (lolwo)

[ApeJr]

Fi used to spam our irc, this included halfops as well. We continuously get crashed by the top pure clans. Even by your own clan.

 

Every clan has idiotic members who are cocky and will flame. Its how **** is and its never going to change.

 

Yeah and i used to come in your channel acting like jah and someone used to gimmie op and i kbed the whole channel after all these years i just want to tell you im sorry man.

[Ray]

Really?

 

I talked with Anthony (Ascendency's Leader) the last time Ray said our members porn bombed Ascendency's forums and he said that you got spammed but there was no proof whatsoever that it was from Epidemic.

 

I just pmed Sefket (EOD Leader) about Ray's claim of "a group of members spamming EOD's IRC" and here's the result...

<Bawb[AFK]> Did a group of Epidemic spam your irc recently?

<[EOD]Sick> I think we did get spammed today

<[EOD]Sick> didnt see names,

<Bawb[AFK]> Was it Epidemic?

<[EOD]Sick> not sure mate

 

He's the main leader and he's not even sure if it's Epidemic yet Ray knows it's us right? To me that just proves my point that he's a biased idiot.

 

Let me add in that I am friends with both of these leaders and I am more than positive they would alert me if my members were being idiots like that. Hell, Sefket warned me about one of our applicants last week, he wouldn't PM me about my members spamming his IRC? Give me a break.

 

As for the "threats an Epidemic rank made". I apologized for that in the past, that member had acted while he was mad. Want to know why?

 

He was mad because Ascendency had crashed one of our fights since you were mad we had killed you earlier while you weren't even in a fight. Oh wait? Did you crash us? Then you must've "hit an innocent" clan as well?

 

Want to talk about the crashing? We have reasons to crash certain clans. We have kept off several fights, we have ACed several fights, don't give me the **** like "omg we are the big bad guys who crash all the innocent clans".

 

I don't recall crashing any Fatality fight. I always had respect for them, even when we took #3. I've been leading the majority of trips for the past year and I'm 100% sure we did not crash a Fatality fight.

 

For the TGG xmas event. BSing started that wasn't caused by Epidemic members and E/CP/EOP members teamed up to fight everyone else. Epidemic was singled out because of a few MM and FOE haters fueling the fire. Hell, I even apologized in leader's section for whatever some of our members did when I wasn't there.

 

I won't even argue with the fact that he says our community has gone downhill. As I said in my first reply, you are absolutely clueless.

 

First of all, you are not convincing anybody by presenting straw-man arguments.

 

I never said E porn bombed our forums, not this time or the last time we spoke, but you keep on saying that so you can deny it. I said that you guys spammed porn in our IRC. It's not hard to tell that it's E because once I whois the guy, it turns out as a registered E nick.

 

As for EOD, good job for not spamming them today, but I'm not talking about today. I'm talking about last week and Sefket wasn't there. Once again, it's not hard to tell that it's people from E when I just whois them and it turns out as a registered E nick.

 

Now as for the threats that one of your leaders made back then. You crash us occasionally, nearly once a week. We understand that you guys were just walking around and happened to saw us and just attacked. We forgave you every time you did that without asking for an apology. Then we accidentally crashed you guys for the very first time. There are only two BH worlds and you guys were fighting right outside clan wars. I don't know how you expect not to get crashed. Instead of just talking to us about it, you decided to intentionally crash us, spam out our IRC, flame, and make threats to us. Maybe from your point of view, you only threatened to make us slump/close because you're mad, but from our point of view, Epidemic has a reputation of carrying it out. We see the kinds of things you did to EOP, IR, and Cy. When you threaten to do the same to us, we're not alright with it. What bothers me is that you believe that you can crash us all you like because we don't have to have good trips, but when we crash you just once, it's the end of the world and we must close down for it.

 

As for intentionally crashing, I don't find that right at all, I don't think anyone does. Since you are not denying it and you see nothing wrong with it, I'll let you keep your opinion.

 

As for crashing Fi, when some people in Fi including myself complained about it, Plode said something along the lines of "You declined our run-in so we had to crash you. What else were we supposed to do?" If you want, I can go dig it up, but I really don't have the effort to.

 

In the TGG xmas event, people didn't point their fingers at you because of MM and FOE. Just look at the topic. All I see are Epidemic members and staff, and even a leader boasting about it and posting kill pics. I don't find the slightest bit of respect in that. It wasn't just something bad that a few of your members did. Your leader and staff were there. This act does not represent the misconduct of a few immature members, it represents your clan. I'm glad that you apologized in the leader boards, but it doesn't make it right that you did it in the first place.

 

Now for our other post about EOP staff spamming, don't think for a second that I'm not against it. I'm taking action to stop that kind of thing, and if it gets worse, I can assure you that I won't be wearing an EOP tag for a long time. Don't think I'm biased against Epidemic. If EOP ever becomes like you, I will hate them just as much.

 

I can understand that as a clan leader, your job is to protect the reputation of your clan, but you have to face your crimes. People will hate you for what you do.

[KJ`R4in F4ll]

I don't recall crashing any Fatality fight. I always had respect for them, even when we took #3. I've been leading the majority of trips for the past year and I'm 100% sure we did not crash a Fatality fight.

 

For the TGG xmas event. BSing started that wasn't caused by Epidemic members and E/CP/EOP members teamed up to fight everyone else. Epidemic was singled out because of a few MM and FOE haters fueling the fire. Hell, I even apologized in leader's section for whatever some of our members did when I wasn't there.

 

I won't even argue with the fact that he says our community has gone downhill. As I said in my first reply, you are absolutely clueless.

 

 

Bob over the summer you got a fall in on H Drop Nub ( 70 Defence in Full Rune ) And he lead Epidemic in a planned run in with Fi on sperm hill as you guys rushed Followed behind a tank which was pretty sad, Also another full runer was in there named Ownage Milk so yeah idk about that " respect for FI " part but whatever.

 

On xmas eve Epidemic were the the ones bsing everyone and when all of the clans want to team up and pick on Epidemic once again they always beg other clans for help and Cp and EoP happen to have gave in this time :/. Thanks for your apology though that was thoughtful :).

 

Also about the spamming yeah a rank of EOP excuse me, a " -> Free <- " Rank of EoP has been spamming #TGG all night last night and all today when no ops / halfops are around so yeah its [EoP]S_U_W_0_0_P ( The guy who got warlord in EOP after being in them for less than 1 month ) to clear things up :o .

[Prateek]

In the TGG xmas event, people didn't point their fingers at you because of MM and FOE. Just look at the topic. All I see are Epidemic members and staff, and even a leader boasting about it and posting kill pics. I don't find the slightest bit of respect in that. It wasn't just something bad that a few of your members did. Your leader and staff were there. This act does not represent the misconduct of a few immature members, it represents your clan. I'm glad that you apologized in the leader boards, but it doesn't make it right that you did it in the first place.

 

For the X-mas thing, you do know Goop was in our vent the whole time and it was initially his and someone else in E's idea right?