Healthcare has passed

[dotfire]

Awww poor daddy is going to lose 2-5k a year because he make 250k a year. Awww so sad.

 

jesus shut the **** up

[+Karl]

It'll fail just like it does in the UK.

 

Our NHS (National Health Service) is in millions of £'s of debt, along with the war, and other political scandals, the economy is failing.

 

The NHS was a good idea at the time, but the after effects made it a bad choice. However, I like being able to go to hospital for any reason and not get billed out of my ass for it.

[Tyler]

Last I checked/heard,around 10% of the U.S. has 90% of the money, but only pays 70% of the taxes. How in the hell do you have 90% of the money but pay only 70% of the taxes?

[Anthoni]

Last I checked/heard,around 10% of the U.S. has 90% of the money, but only pays 70% of the taxes. How in the hell do you have 90% of the money but pay only 70% of the taxes?

Our country is corrupt :starwars: :bomb_ie:

[Carnage]

jesus shut the **** up

umadbro?

[Keith]

Its socialist and should have never been implemented. Its unconstitutional, and 13 different state AGs have prepared a lawsuit against the department of blah blah AKA the government. I saw a MSN poll yesterday, 600,000 votes, 75% where angry, 23% where excited, others were w/e.

 

I laugh at all the Canadians on here being like "O helthcarez! Grates!" when your health care sucks and a ton of Canadians come to the US for health care. People have come from around the world for American health care for years...because we have the best.

 

This is socialist, unconstitutional, and is a horrible piece of legitlation that hopefully won't last long. If I'm not mistaken people vote on new reps. and the house should be cleaned of all the corrupt Dems AND Republicans that have not stood up for the American peoples constitutional rights. Obama will NOT receive another 4 years in office because he's a piece of communist ****, and we may get another black president in Michael Steel (head of the GOP for all you fucktards that say Conservatives hate black people), a real black president.

 

Saw something about someone saying that this is only going to affect people making 250K+ a year, ********, thats what they say about everything that will cause a tax hike.

 

If this is too long for you to read...

 

Unconstitutional, socialist, Obama sucks, Nancy Pelosi looks like a witch and is one, Obama will not get another 4 years, house will be cleaned of all these corrupt Dems and Republicans.

[``Aaron]

[Carnage]

Lol John Mccain cried about this because he wanted to do it. He's pretty much saying it's his job to do it and not Obamas. Mccain tried to enact this FOUR TIMES. Both parties are corrupt.

[Keith]

Lol John Mccain cried about this because he wanted to do it. He's pretty much saying it's his job to do it and not Obamas. Mccain tried to enact this FOUR TIMES. Both parties are corrupt.

 

Even if McCain wanted it (I don't remember that ever coming up), he would never pass it due to obvious reasons. I can agree that both parties contain corrupt politicians and the house needs to be cleaned out, but I ain't no socialist siggas.

[Tyler]

Rather than being a democrat of a republican, we need a People group. Generally they all have these beliefs, but half of the **** that they're fighting over such as abortion, don't ******* help us at all. I know abortion is a big subject, but let people do what they want, I don't agree with it, but rather than wasting time arguing about that ****, why don't we find something that works for the PEOPLE and helps the American economy and various other stuff that is **** poor.

 

Keith we have good health care because it costs **** loads.

[Keith]

Rather than being a democrat of a republican, we need a People group. Generally they all have these beliefs, but half of the **** that they're fighting over such as abortion, don't ******* help us at all. I know abortion is a big subject, but let people do what they want, I don't agree with it, but rather than wasting time arguing about that ****, why don't we find something that works for the PEOPLE and helps the American economy and various other stuff that is **** poor.

 

Keith we have good health care because it costs **** loads.

 

Yes and we also have programs and options for people to help pay for it. IE: Private insurance companies, Medicare, and Medicaid.

[Carnage]

The FED is the real problem. Go cry to them.

[Tyler]

I don't mind providing help for health care to people that work but can't afford it. Some people just don't make enough money for it and it out of question.

 

What pisses me off though is how welfare works, people are living off of others tax money, and this is just ridiculous as a lot of them don't even try to find a job.

 

I've got Republican and Democratic views. I guess I could be a People person, as I feel what should be done is what is best for the people of our country.

[Tyler]

Illegal immigrants will not be allowed to buy health insurance in the exchanges -- even if they pay completely with their own money.

 

I'd say we can all agree on this one :) However, I still don't like this.

[Darius]

Pretty much sumed it up. I would also like to emphasize the Obama and Is and An, and last but certainly not least! Idiot

 

pink your like 13.

[Sparatic Gun]

It's ******** socialistic paying off party members bill.

 

How can you force a bill through congress when the popular vote was about 55-45. That is ridiculous that nearly half of the population doesn't agree and obama can just force it through.

 

I minds as well stop working. Get my free health care, housing and food stamps. I work hard for my money and now my taxes will go up to pay for lazy asses to do jack **** and get free stuff.

 

And Canadians this isnt good for you. When you need that expensive difficult surgery and you get stuck in waiting lists, you wont be able to come here anymore. American medical researchers will have no motivation to get new products and methods when everyone is not going to us it.

 

 

Overall. **** it

[dotfire]

bush's shortcomings caused the dem majority; i cant wait until it swings back to the republicans :teehee:

[Pink]

pink your like 13.

What does age have to do with anything?

 

I'm 14.

[Anthoni]

What does age have to do with anything?

Besides the way you act.

[M4G1CA]

I, for one, support it.

[Pink]

Besides the way you act.

Do I act immature? No.

[Byron]

cool

[Forfeit Now]

Obama fails.

[Tyler]

I, for one, support it.

Why?

 

Just some more stuff I've found.

 

"Starting in 2011, all of you which receive benefits from your employer will be awarded a raise. Now don't get excited, this is a raise only on your W2...you wont actually see the money, but you will be taxed on it. The amount that the employer pays in benefits for you will now be added to your adjusted gross income. What does this mean to you, you... See More ask? First off, it is TAXED wages. This will come DIRECTLY out of your pocket! Lets say your employer pays out $12k/year for your benefits. Now you will have the luxury of paying $3600 in tax on your new "income". This amounts to the single largest tax hike I have ever heard of. To add insult to injury, this may put a lot of you in a higher tax bracket. If that happens, well you can kiss a lot of your deductions goodbye as well."

[Nippon]

Public healthcare is excellent, but I'm not sure if it will ever work in the states because it's not beneficial to so many influential parties, and we all know that politics in the US is all about the lobbying of these same parties; individuals and companies that benefit from privatized healthcare, for example the insurance industry.

 

The lobbying is very efficient. Opinions are turning against the healthcare reform with the support of the beneficiary parties. So is the loyal herd of sheeps that is the american public, which gets its "opinions" mostly from right wing media supported by those same corporate lobbyists that affect the political parties too.

 

 

All political agenda aside, who in their right mind would be against an effective public healthcare reform? Any country that wishes to one day call themselves civilized needs to provide their citizens with the basic necessities of life; food, water, shelter, health. That's just how it is. If you throw the sick and homeless to the streets it'll just rot your country and eventually turn it to a 3rd world hellhole. I guess another option would be to just execute them like the nazis did but there are ethical reasons why that can't be done.

 

"But I don't want to spend my precious money to support some lazy bums who could just as well support themselves if they were not freeriders" - Yeah nobody wants to spend their hard earned money but it has to be done. Often the poor people have a reason other than plain lazyness, they may be too sick to work physically or mentally, there might be no work because of the local economical situation, or yeah they might just be lazy and want to live for free. The amount you pay in taxes for a working public healthcare easily pays back in long term. The improvements can be seen anywhere if you just crawl out of your suburb nest for a while, better environment, healthier and happier people, who are now also able to work.

 

I think that's one of the sufficient standards for a democractic society; nobody is denied the ability to work in normal circumstances. That is if they are not permanently damaged so that they can't. The willingness to work is another thing, it can't be forced and the only option is just to put that much trust in your fellow citizens.

 

 

tl;dr

 

Forget what you've been told about who wants what and who benefits from what, think for yourself for once. Think about who really benefits from a better public healthcare. Hint: it starts with the first letter of your name.

 

~Nip